at the end of the day, i don't think we need to raise taxes. we need to actually take some of the president's proposals in terms of entitlement reforms that republicans agree with. they won't be easy to pass. they're tough for both sides to vote for but they're the right things and apply them to the deficit and easing the sequester. there's a deal to be made if both sides will approach it with willingness to engage in give and take. >> i'm curious how optimisticing that lawmakers will do the same because you're saying give and take, both sides have to give a little. >> well, remember, first of all, let's start with the things we agree on. we agree with a lot of the president's entitlement reforms. we don't think we should have to pay for areas we agree by doing things like raising taxes. we don't expect the democrats to embrace the ryan plan on medicare or the block grant medicaid to the states. so they've got some lines in the sand on their side. i respect that. but there's enough room in the middle to actually get something done, and frankly,